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Naruto
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:08 pm |
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Hitori wrote: Can I ask which ninja you would consider to be in the 9.5 tier or 10 tier? Personally, I think that nobody has more advanced moves then naruto. Here is why, not only does naruto have FRS (which is above anything kakashi, minato, or jiraiya could ever do) But he is also close to mastering the bijuu bomb, without the help of a bijuu (bee needs to let the hachibi do it). That puts he abilities with ninjutsu on bijuu level, which nobody else has. Furthermore, he can do all this without a single hand seal (no longer requires shadow clones due to his kyuubi cloak), most ninja require hand seals to focus their ninjutsu. For those reasons, I can't really see anyone being above naruto in ninjustu (that is until we see more from sasuke, tobi, and perhaps kabuto) Pein. I am not sure if I can use him as an example since he is dead. But he masters all of the nature types. He is probably the best ninjutsu user, IMO. If i can't count Pein in then Önoki is brilliant too... Combining three nature types is beast! But as you said, Naruto hasn't still mastered the bijuu bomb, but I can see why you would give him 9.5 but 10 is just to much. These two persons can match Naruto in ninjutsu, IMO. Hitori wrote: I would say, until we see him out speed tobi naruto cannot be 10/10. In fact until we know for sure he actually teleported to hit kisame I would say he is 9/10 (which is where I would put A as well, btw). But I do believe naruto has the potential to be the fastest in the series, although my gut tells me that sasuke will be the one who is fastest. I have to admit it. You are right here. Hitori wrote: I would say that naruto deserves a little more credit on the intelligence front. He is not 10, that is for sure. But lately naruto has become an incredibly wise character (every time he talks to someone nowadays, it seems he is also giving them some epic life lesson). In fact, the reason he is even running to the war, despite the fact that everyone is trying to protect him, is because he understand more about the war then the whole JSA. After all, he is the ninja who managed to defeat pain with words instead of brute strength. Sure, they had an epic battle before they stopped to talk, but it was narutos words that gave nagato his final push towards the light. Even ninja like shikamaru and kakashi have openly admitted (as well as proven through example) that they trust naruto's decision even above their own (and, in fact, shikaku showed much the same thing when he let naruto pass to deal with nagato himself). However, he still is painfully ignorant on a lot of the more technical aspects of being a ninja (For instance, his biggest issue with making the bijuu bomb is balancing his yin/yang ratio, something a ninja like kakashi would have no issue with) You are right. Naruto change people when he talks to them. He is capable of defeating enemies without killing them because of some of his epic talks. But he still isn't over chuunin level. Naruto isn't capable of leading a team. I will put this at 6-6.5. Hitori wrote: This is another category that people underestimate naruto in. Since he first became a ninja, naruto has fought every one of his most important battles around 2000 times (due to shadow clones). because of that, naruto has well over 10,000 battles worth of tactical knowledge (That is probably even more then madara and hashirama combined O.O). Furthermore, he is the person everything happens to. Since he was 14, he has had akatsuki hunting him down. because of that, and because he is the kyuubi host, he has been able to learn much of konoha's most top secret information (be it from tsunade, jiraiya, kakashi, minato, kushina, ect). Great ninja tell naruto things about the ninja world, it has been happening since the series first stated (just remember, a lot of what WE have learned about the ninja world was because of things that have happened to naruto, or explained to naruto). In the beginning, naruto was clueless. Now, he is a wise and powerful sage. P.S.- I still don't think he has more real world knowledge then ninja like tobi, orochimaru, danzou, ect. But he should be about jounin-kage level for his knowledge (so like 7-8), and if you count battle knowledge then I'd give him a solid 9 9 is way to much, IMO. I can follow you on 7-8. But nothing more... Sorry. Look at what Ero-Sennin said, we share the quite same opinion on this. Hitori wrote: Here are his current stats the way I see it:
Ninjutsu: 10/10 Taijustsu: 9.5/10 Genjutsu : 7/10 Stamina : 10/10 Speed : 9/10 Strength : 10/10 Intelligence : 7/10 Knowledge : 9/10 Hand Seals : 5.5/10
Overall that puts naruto at 77/90, which is really a pretty modest number considering how strong he is right now. Ninjutsu: 9.5/10 Taijustsu: 9.5/10 Genjutsu : 7/10 Stamina : 10/10 Speed : 9/10 Strength : 10/10 Intelligence : 6.5/10 Knowledge : 7/10 Hand Seals : 5.5/10 So this puts Naruto at 74/90, IMO
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Ero-Sennin
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:41 pm |
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Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:46 pm Posts: 331 Location: Certainly at no hot spring..
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Naruto wrote: Ninjutsu: 9.5/10 Taijustsu: 9.5/10 Genjutsu : 7/10 Stamina : 10/10 Speed : 9/10 Strength : 10/10 Intelligence : 6.5/10 Knowledge : 7/10 Hand Seals : 5.5/10
So this puts Naruto at 74/90, IMO
That's Naruto for you, i totally agree there with every point. YOU HAVE MY VOTE
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krishna.kumar
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:49 pm |
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I seldom disagree with you Hitori, but I will just like to tell you that you have mixed intelligence with battle experience. Someone like Raikage A, has tremendous amount of experience, but lacks intelligence. Otherwise he wouldn't have lost his left arm. Naruto is an excellent tactician, but the reason why I have given him 6/10 is because of his absymal teamwork. He is more or less acts like an one man army and work delegation is something alien to him most of the time. Check out how Kakashi defeated Zabuza by perfectly delegating work to a Nara, a Yamanaka, himself and the sealing squad. Or how Shikamaru defeated Hidan and Kinkaku. If we rate them 9.5/10, do you still think 9/10 to Naruto is realistic enough ? He gets 6/10 for his solid and elaborate plans at the nick of time, but the number of parameters that he takes into consideration as compared to Kakashi or Shikamaru is very low. @Naruto... You finally arrived to the total I got previously, 74/90. Feels good 
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:34 pm |
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krishna.kumar wrote: @Naruto... You finally arrived to the total I got previously, 74/90. Feels good  When I was done, I had the same feeling! 
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:47 pm |
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Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:46 pm Posts: 331 Location: Certainly at no hot spring..
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The one thing that we must remember, numbers ain't everything. There are other factors as well, Feelings; Determination, Love, Hate, Pain and the guts to never give up! This is what makes Naruto strong. Not the number of jutsu he possesses. Or how well he is at performing hand seals. It's not like i think that you guys don't know this  , i just wanted to quote Jiraiya  . But i think it's cool that no one get's to be maxed out (90/90) on these scores, because not a single person in the Naruto-verse are that good. 
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krishna.kumar
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:18 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:04 am Posts: 2706 Location: Myōbokuzan
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Ero-Sennin wrote: The one thing that we must remember, numbers ain't everything. There are other factors as well, Feelings; Determination, Love, Hate, Pain and the guts to never give up! This is what makes Naruto strong. Not the number of jutsu he possesses. Or how well he is at performing hand seals. It's not like i think that you guys don't know this  , i just wanted to quote Jiraiya  . But i think it's cool that no one get's to be maxed out (90/90) on these scores, because not a single person in the Naruto-verse are that good.  IMO, Rikudo Sennin in Jinchuuriki mode would score that illusive 90/90 since he is the supposed to be the benchmark to reach.... 
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Ero-Sennin
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:25 pm |
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Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:46 pm Posts: 331 Location: Certainly at no hot spring..
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krishna.kumar wrote: Ero-Sennin wrote: The one thing that we must remember, numbers ain't everything. There are other factors as well, Feelings; Determination, Love, Hate, Pain and the guts to never give up! This is what makes Naruto strong. Not the number of jutsu he possesses. Or how well he is at performing hand seals. It's not like i think that you guys don't know this  , i just wanted to quote Jiraiya  . But i think it's cool that no one get's to be maxed out (90/90) on these scores, because not a single person in the Naruto-verse are that good.  IMO, Rikudo Sennin in Jinchuuriki mode would score that illusive 90/90 since he is the supposed to be the benchmark to reach....  AND he invented ALL jutsu, yea that would be the one exception 
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:10 pm |
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Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:58 am Posts: 1613 Location: England
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Ero-Sennin wrote: krishna.kumar wrote: Ero-Sennin wrote: The one thing that we must remember, numbers ain't everything. There are other factors as well, Feelings; Determination, Love, Hate, Pain and the guts to never give up! This is what makes Naruto strong. Not the number of jutsu he possesses. Or how well he is at performing hand seals. It's not like i think that you guys don't know this  , i just wanted to quote Jiraiya  . But i think it's cool that no one get's to be maxed out (90/90) on these scores, because not a single person in the Naruto-verse are that good.  IMO, Rikudo Sennin in Jinchuuriki mode would score that illusive 90/90 since he is the supposed to be the benchmark to reach....  AND he invented ALL jutsu, yea that would be the one exception  I think saying he invented ALL jutsu is a bit of a stretch, I'm sure that what he done was preach to people about Chakra etc. Also, I think that Rikudou is probably a bit overrated anyway, back then its obvious that he was the strongest but I'm sure people like Naruto and Sasuke would give him a tough fight. Him being 90/90 seems a bit too much.
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:54 am |
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Naruto wrote: Ninjutsu: 9.5/10 Taijustsu: 9.5/10 Genjutsu : 7/10 Stamina : 10/10 Speed : 9/10 Strength : 10/10 Intelligence : 6.5/10 Knowledge : 7/10 Hand Seals : 5.5/10
So this puts Naruto at 74/90, IMO One question if Naruto has maxed chakra manipulation, why is hand seals 5.5 i know it doesnt make any sence what i said, but if he can master like any jitsu in the world, and its all about chakra manipulation and hand seals, why would hand seals be a problem? Taijitsu i would give him 10, since noone is faster then him, not even Madara, since Madara has 5 seconds interval (druging fight with Konan it was said), and Naruto has 0, and he has anormase strenght, i would give him 10, as well as Ninjitsu, as well as id give him more inteligence
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:50 am |
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Valjavec wrote: Naruto wrote: Ninjutsu: 9.5/10 Taijustsu: 9.5/10 Genjutsu : 7/10 Stamina : 10/10 Speed : 9/10 Strength : 10/10 Intelligence : 6.5/10 Knowledge : 7/10 Hand Seals : 5.5/10
So this puts Naruto at 74/90, IMO One question if Naruto has maxed chakra manipulation, why is hand seals 5.5 i know it doesnt make any sence what i said, but if he can master like any jitsu in the world, and its all about chakra manipulation and hand seals, why would hand seals be a problem? Taijitsu i would give him 10, since noone is faster then him, not even Madara, since Madara has 5 seconds interval (druging fight with Konan it was said), and Naruto has 0, and he has anormase strenght, i would give him 10, as well as Ninjitsu, as well as id give him more inteligence First things first, chakra manipulation has absolutely nothing to do with hand seals, you should be able to figure that out for yourself, hand seals or 'hand signs' as called in English TV are the different signs you do with your hand before most ninjutsu. Since Naruto only use hand signs in Kuchiyose no Jutsu, and Kage Bunshin, he does not have that experience, that is why he has 5.5 in hand seals. As for speed, Madara is able to teleport/space-time to any point in the world faster than you can blink, and Narutos space-time technique was stated as not quite as good as his fathers. And since Madaras space-time greatly surpasses Minatos, he is better than Naruto on that point.
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:16 pm |
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Ero-Sennin wrote: Valjavec wrote: Naruto wrote: Ninjutsu: 9.5/10 Taijustsu: 9.5/10 Genjutsu : 7/10 Stamina : 10/10 Speed : 9/10 Strength : 10/10 Intelligence : 6.5/10 Knowledge : 7/10 Hand Seals : 5.5/10
So this puts Naruto at 74/90, IMO One question if Naruto has maxed chakra manipulation, why is hand seals 5.5 i know it doesnt make any sence what i said, but if he can master like any jitsu in the world, and its all about chakra manipulation and hand seals, why would hand seals be a problem? Taijitsu i would give him 10, since noone is faster then him, not even Madara, since Madara has 5 seconds interval (druging fight with Konan it was said), and Naruto has 0, and he has anormase strenght, i would give him 10, as well as Ninjitsu, as well as id give him more inteligence First things first, chakra manipulation has absolutely nothing to do with hand seals, you should be able to figure that out for yourself, hand seals or 'hand signs' as called in English TV are the different signs you do with your hand before most ninjutsu. Since Naruto only use hand signs in Kuchiyose no Jutsu, and Kage Bunshin, he does not have that experience, that is why he has 5.5 in hand seals. As for speed, Madara is able to teleport/space-time to any point in the world faster than you can blink, and Narutos space-time technique was stated as not quite as good as his fathers. And since Madaras space-time greatly surpasses Minatos, he is better than Naruto on that point. Yeaaa, would you reconsider that? Ninjutsu: 10/10 Taijustsu: 9/10 Genjutsu : 6/10 Stamina : 10/10 Speed : 10/10 Strength : 10/10 Intelligence : 8/10 Knowledge : 7/10 Hand Seals : 7/10 77/90
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Naruto
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:12 pm |
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Quote: 8-8.5 A master of the art, quite a high proficiency of the stat. exceeds normal valuations. Is Naruto really that intelligent??? Quote: 7-7.5 A jounin/High level shinobi level, of that stat. also this is quite a good/high number. so this shouldn't be underrated. I really don't think Naruto is over jounin level. He can only perform two jutsu that requires hand seals, Summoning Jutsu and Kage Bunshin No Jutsu. Summoning Jutsu is only C-rank which is Genin or Chuunin level. Kage Bunshin No Jutsu is B-rank which is Chuunin or Jounin level.
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:07 am |
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Naruto wrote: Quote: 8-8.5 A master of the art, quite a high proficiency of the stat. exceeds normal valuations. Is Naruto really that intelligent??? Quote: 7-7.5 A jounin/High level shinobi level, of that stat. also this is quite a good/high number. so this shouldn't be underrated. I really don't think Naruto is over jounin level. He can only perform two jutsu that requires hand seals, Summoning Jutsu and Kage Bunshin No Jutsu. Summoning Jutsu is only C-rank which is Genin or Chuunin level. Kage Bunshin No Jutsu is B-rank which is Chuunin or Jounin level. So, any chuunin is Narutos lvl? Bijuu Bomb? Sage Mode? Rasen Shuriken? somone like Konohamaru could defeat him? 2nd fastest ninja in Narutoverse?
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:36 pm |
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When saying that somebody is Jounin level it's not just through their skill in fighting. It's all about intelligence, teamwork and being able to lead a team. Time and time again we how Naruto severely lacks these skills.
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:53 am |
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sasori_ wrote: When saying that somebody is Jounin level it's not just through their skill in fighting. It's all about intelligence, teamwork and being able to lead a team. Time and time again we how Naruto severely lacks these skills. Yea, go watch Pokemons or something
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:58 pm |
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Valjavec wrote: sasori_ wrote: When saying that somebody is Jounin level it's not just through their skill in fighting. It's all about intelligence, teamwork and being able to lead a team. Time and time again we how Naruto severely lacks these skills. Yea, go watch Pokemons or something What are you talking about? Sasori_ is right. It has nothing to do with Pokemon.
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Post subject: Re: Naruto tv data book Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:05 pm |
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Valjavec wrote: sasori_ wrote: When saying that somebody is Jounin level it's not just through their skill in fighting. It's all about intelligence, teamwork and being able to lead a team. Time and time again we how Naruto severely lacks these skills. Yea, go watch Pokemons or something Lol troll more.
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