Where did Kakashi got his MS from?
I just dont get it. As far as I remember one have to kill his best Friend to get the MS.
And suddenly Kakashi just obtained it. But from where?

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Hmm it's a good question but it seemed that Kakashi got it while pursuing Deidara with Naruto... and he got it out of nowhere.
Also, are we even sure this is a Mangekyou Sharingan? I mean it doesn't use Susanoo, Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi but only that space-time-jutsu "Kamui" which seems to be related to Madara's jutsu.

So my theory is that this is some other form of Sharingan. It also might be important during the following plot.

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I personaly can remember that at some Point Kakashi did say that it´s a MS( But im not pretty sure).
I think everyone´s MS has different Ability´s.
Sasuke for example did only got Susanoo and Amaterasu because Itachi gave them to him as a Gift.
Otherwise Madara should have Amaterasu and Susanoo too.
I think that Kakashi got his MS because he got it from Obito and he was his Friend. But i don´t know.

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But between Obito's death and the Sharingan becoming a Mangekyou Sharingan were many many years. It doesn't make alot of sense to me. I mean we saw the moment Kakashi gained his Mangekyou Sharingan, and it certainly isn't explainable with the ordinary way Sharingans go.

Might be just due to his raw genius.

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we have no idea where to start how he gained his mangekyou sharingan.

All we know is that he has it

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one is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is though everything is a miracle."
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He may have just developed or found a new jutsu within the sharingan that allows him to use different jutsu's then the uchiha. Also he may not be able to use the same things as itachi and sasuke because he is not an uchiha

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THEORY 1 :

Like to quote something from DBZ....

Goku obtained Super saiyan form due to the grief of his best friend's (Krilin's) death. That made him explode to Super Saiyan form.

Vegeta attained his Super Saiyan form, from hardwork and sheer will to get it...


That means there are more than one path to attain pinnacle of power...

Itachi and Sasuke may have got their MS due to deaths of their near and dear. But that need not be the only way one attains MS. Kakashi endured the power of MS first hand when he went through Itachi's Tsukoyomi. He would have contemplated pertaining the absolute power that would be in his hand if he achieved similar powers. His genius coupled with his absolute thirst for obtaining MS's power would have driven him to infinite lengths of training with his Sharingan day-in day-out for three years. His absolute will was finally rewarded, when he finally awakened his MS...


THEORY 2 :



(I got this theory just out of nowhere. Rather, got it when I was writing my Theory No. 1...)

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In my theory, it's not really the MS, though it looks like it i think it'e another form of the sharingan. The faq that it should be a MS is not mentioned at anytime (as far as i remember). But i dunno really, could be so many things

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This really is an excellent question.
I have no idea. For those that have some problems trying to figure out if it is MS or not... It is MS. And since it is MS the rule is that he must kill someone that is close to him right? (please correct me if I am wrong).
Does anyone know what happened to Rin? Maybe kakashi had to kill her because she was suffering with some near death wound... yes... I know... it is too far-fetched. But really, can we really imagine kakashi killing anyone close to him?

And by the way, Sasuke has his own MS: he can manipulate and put out Amaterasu's flames! That is his stuff! He did kill his brother. Also his Susanoo has tweeks of his own. Hard to tell if he has it solely because of his brother or if it was in him as well.

You really think Kakashi might've killed Rin?

Well, there is a reason for him focussing on such a long time when following Deidara. There is no doubt that this was the moment he "created" his Mangekyou Sharingan.
I guess Kakashi simply is that much of a genius!

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I can't think of anyone else, unaccounted for, that is/was close to Kakashi. If I really think that... no... But I cannot account for another person that is close to him for him to kill.




This has nothing to do with genius. This is a bloodline limit. You can't go around it. Sasuke didn't go around it, Itachi did not go around it, nobody went around it. MS did not come from that moment. It came from a period where his whereabouts were unaccounted for. Before that moment, no MS. After that moment, MS. At some point I am sure that will be explained. Until then, we can keep on second guessing.

May be closing your mouth with scarf for more than 10 years is the key to attain Mangekyou Sharingan for a Non Uchiha. Danzou mistakenly thought, just closing his eyes would do, hence, it never evolved...

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Maybe he took it from obito!

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Oh! I have something to share about this... but I need other members' help to certify this with an approvement stamp.

I found this written on this wiki: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Mangeky%C5%8D_Sharingan.

Let me quote the interesting part:
"The Mangekyō Sharingan is acquired through the death of the person closest to the Sharingan user. To expedite this occurrence, Uchiha throughout history have killed their closest friends in order to meet this criteria,[1] though how Kakashi gained his Mangekyō Sharingan has yet to be explained. To obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, one must feel the emotion of losing a friend or family, as merely killing them or watching them die will not activate it"

So where these guys got this info I have no idea (the [1] citation does not clear if you have to kill him or not) so if any of you know of databooks or have any manga related info that can support this than it would be great for all if you could share it here in the forum.

This would mean that, if Kakashi would "feel the emotion of losing a friend or family" than is MS would be activated (I am guessing only after your normal Sharingan has reached maturity, so with all 3 tomoe).

Having said this here's what I think:

- MS was activated during a period of which we have no knowledge yet in which he saw Rin die.

Or

- MS was activated when Sasuke was lost onto Orochimaru!

Though I still am more on the first hypothesis.
Well! I hope this will re-launch this discussion into a most probable answer, if not a certain answer by end of it ^^.
Cheers.

He didn't get it while chasing Deidara, he told Naruto and Sakura he developed this crazy new jutsu an- and they totally ignored him and went to get Ichiraku Ramen.
This "Crazy new Jutsu an-" must have been his MS ability. And, up until recently, he's had to build up and focus his chakra before doing it, while now he can activate it pretty much effortlessly.
I've been thinking, for a very long time, that all Mangenkyo Sharingans, just as they vary in design, they vary in abilities. We haven't seen Kakashi use Susano'o, Amaterasu, or Tsukuyomi. Neither have we seen Madara use these. Sasuke, to my knowledge, hasn't actually used Tsukuyomi yet, so maybe he only got Amaterasu and Susano'o from Itachi. And has a totally different and Unique jutsu he doesn't know he has yet.

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Sasuke's genjutsu is Tsukoyomi. His Tsukoyomi is not as efficient as Itachi's but its Tsukoyomi. Why am I so confident ? That's because, one can perfectly use Susanoo only when they can control "Double Mangekyou" i.e. Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi. Hence, since Sasuke perfected his Susanoo, its implies that he has perfected Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi...

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Sasuke did use tsukuyomi against both danzou and killer bee.

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Ah, thanks. I thought that was his regular genjutsu. Hard to tell in the manga.

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Man this is an easy question and i don't know why no one knows the answer, he got his Mangekyou sharingan because it was his fault Obito died so even though Obito saved his life, it was kakashi who killed him even if it wasn't intentional. You get mangekyou by killing your best friend but no where does it say it must be intentional.

Then why did it not activate until many years later? That would only work if he didn't feel the pain for it until much later but he felt that pain every single day.

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