I've got a little theory about what I believe the connection between Tobi and Madara is. There's definitely still a lot to learn about Tobi, Madara and Nagato but I'm pretty sure that it will get covered eventually by Kishi.

In a Galaxy far far away... (I hope people do get that joke)

Madara unlocked the Rinnegan literally on his death bed as stated in the manga. The reason why he was dieing is because either the DNA stolen from Hashirama's gave him the ability to live for so long but the power started to run out (his life-force from DNA), fighting somebody or something like Itachi's Ninja Homo Disease. Tobi is Madara's apprentice/brother/random, whoever. And Madara created a plan with Tobi for him (Madara) to be ressurrected with the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique (what Nagato used on Konoha). However Tobi wouldn't be able to use the jutsu because his S/T technique is considered too awesome by Madara so they needed to find a puppet that they could give the Rinnegan to so that he can be the one to sacrifice himself i.e. Nagato.

Tobi was told to find a surviving Uzumaki member ( needed to be for thestrong chakra, life-force etc) and Nagato was the one he found. Tobi basically corrupted Nagato by making his life how it was and then collaborated with Tobi to create Akatsuki. Everything was of course going to plan until Naruto showed up. Ruining Madara's plan, Tobi then decided to forget about his alliance with Madara and chose to go alone with Madara's Tsuki no Me plan.

A possibility? Maybe.

Thoughts?

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I think u just readed my thoughts of tobi and put in a thread

Dunno did some 1 say it b4 me but it sound just like me

I said that Tobi was the student of Madara, Madara was hes mentor.

That tobi gived Nagato madara eyes (yday) tho i didnt mention it was cos of uzumaki life force.

And the plan was, he resurrect Madara, when Madara commented that in the manga. pretty simillar

I have to admit I've come to this idea by reading other peoples theories and thoughts on the subject, I can't remember who exactly, I guess I've just pieced a lot of it together.

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You did good with assembling this theory... This is the best explanation until we see the truth in the manga

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We won't be defeated no matter what!!!

Yup agree on that

I gived hints u assembled the story ! GJ

This is about 80% of what i was thinking just some minor detailes like Homo desease and few others

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I always thought that, if Tobi was not among Izuna, Zetsu or Shisui, he should be one among the earliest experimental exploits of Orochimaru. For instance, Tobi has Mokuton and the only people capable of experimenting with Mokuton are Madara and Orochimaru. In addition, he has some great abilities like intangibility, s/t ninjutsu, tremendous chakra, regeneration ability etc, which none of the shinobis have shown .. So, I was thinking that Orochimaru, before he had lust for Uchihas, abducted this kid for experimentation. This kid survived the experimentation and escaped Oro's grasp using his unbelievable powers.

Since then, Oro has always been intrigued of Uchihas and always wanted to possess one of their bodies so that he can control such awesome power..

I have a feeling that Tobi is surely an Uchiha and he has created Zetsu using some Kinjutsu. For that matter, Zetsu has absolutely insane powers never witnessed before. Nor does anyone knows his birth village. None of the 5 kages recognized him as a part of some village. And, on top of it, he is absolutely obedient and trustworthy to Tobi and Tobi seems to be the only one who knows the depth of his powers. He asking Kisame to take a Zetsu clone and explaining him Zetsu's transformation powers and he himself creating the Zetsu army seems to be a possible explanation of that.

He surely can be one of Orochimaru's most successful experiments. I also see that as a possibility.

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krishna.kumar

ha never though about it that way! and that would also explain why i dont thin orochimaru is out of this manga yet! tbh i do think we will see orochimaru again!

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I do not think Orochimaru has anything to do with Tobi

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And maybe we will see Orochimaru when we see again Juugo and Suigetsu...because they we're heading to Orochimaru's lair...

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We won't be defeated no matter what!!!

Orochimaru is long gone.. we have no clue what happens after SOT sucks you in. A genjustu stronger than tsukuyomi, i doubt orochimaru will return to his old self.

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Oro is not dead. He is merely incapacitated. If he was dead, the curse marks vanish from the person he has given to, like Danzou's curse mark on his Root members vanished after he died. But, we still see Anko with the curse mark intact. Hence, it proves that he didn't die.

Tobi told that he can reverse the action of Amber Purifying Pot and bring out Kin-Gin brothers in order to extract the Kyuubi chakra in them. Similarly, I don't find a reason why Oro can't be resurrected from the Totsuka Sword's sealing gourd from someone who is willing to do it..

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krishna.kumar

And you forgot that Kabuto has also a part of his powers... Otherwise he would have no capacity of doing EdoTensei

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We won't be defeated no matter what!!!

Eventhough, Kabuto is slowly looking like Oro and gained most of his powers, I don't think he is being subdued by Oro. Kabuto has just ingested Oro's powers, not his mind IMO. Kabuto is more like Yamato who can use Mokuton due to his DNA eventhough Shodai is dead...

I don't think Oro will resurrect out of Kabuto, since Kabuto is more than 10 times stronger than Oro used to be at his prime...

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krishna.kumar

I didn't say anything about Kabuto being absorbed by Oro...I just said Oro lives through Kabuto....not that he will be absorbed by him...

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We won't be defeated no matter what!!!

(Something about Kabuto having Oro's powers and memories, and constantly fighting for control with his cells. If Kabuto gets pushed to his limit we may see Oro's shadow take over, and that shadow may ironically be more powerful than Oro himself.)




Edit: This is Uchiha, so sorry man I accidentally clicked edit instead of quote without realizing it!

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(In regards to Hitori's actual post...)

Yes, because it would be Oro's essence and power, inside of a young healthy body, instead of his old sickly one. It would be what he ultimately planned with Sasuke, but without Sharingan.

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Run... Run, and cling to life.

Yes....let's not forget that Oro wanted the body of that boy who could make weapons out his bones....I can't get his name right now....If Orochimaru had that body when he fought Sarutobi...he would definitely won easily

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We won't be defeated no matter what!!!

I agree, and that is what's so cool about oro. He really has to be the hardest person to kill in the series.

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