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Orochimaru is long gone.. we have no clue what happens after SOT sucks you in. A genjustu stronger than tsukuyomi, i doubt orochimaru will return to his old self.


Oro is not dead. He is merely incapacitated. If he was dead, the curse marks vanish from the person he has given to, like Danzou's curse mark on his Root members vanished after he died. But, we still see Anko with the curse mark intact. Hence, it proves that he didn't die.

Tobi told that he can reverse the action of Amber Purifying Pot and bring out Kin-Gin brothers in order to extract the Kyuubi chakra in them. Similarly, I don't find a reason why Oro can't be resurrected from the Totsuka Sword's sealing gourd from someone who is willing to do it..


First of all it was said that Itachis sword seales them in Iternal genjitsu (now sure how its spelled) as much as i know iternal is forever, while for Amber PP it was not said anything about being sealed forever, and second of all part of Orochimaru that is alive is in Kabuto that why he needed to extract chakra for Anko so he could streanghten that part, to keep it alive or whatever

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The story behind tobi is simple, Madara made him of hes own flesh, which is why they have same chakra and why he call him self madara, he was ofc scared of madara becos he cant beat the person hes made off, becos hes only a half of him, as kabuto has oro memories so does Tobi madara memories which explain why he know so much. Tobi was made to revive the dying Madara, madara put hes eyes (or tobi did) in Nagato to save those eyes for him for l8er, tobi changed hes mind and maybe got greedy and wanted everything for him self, and i dont like it but maybe madara experimented on obito and made tobi as a mix him self and obito which will lead when kakashi learn about it to go after tobi with guy on him and reveal new techniques which will lead to the death of tobi paralel story will go itachi vs kabuto and then end fight sasuke vs naruto.

Edit: Madara Made both zetsu and tobi actually, tobi of him self + Hashirama cells and zetsu of hashirama cells + Izune body= tobi didnt leave Madara, he just wanted to finnish the plan for him and then merge back, and revive izune when all is done, Izune cant be revived yet cos they need the Zetsu army.

Why would Kabuto want to get Sasuke at the cost of letting the control of him self and the world in Tobi hands? Because he know hes plan and as long he has madara as EDO he cant merge with tobi and take over the world. But itachi want to fight Kabuto ofc, thats what kabuto want, so he can get Sharingan empower hes EDO so madara can not escape hes EDO control.

The only thing is actually why would Kabuto want Sasuke so much, it could be for sharingan but on other side Itachi is coming and he at that time didnt know that Sharingan can do that, so theres got too be another reason behind sharingan:
1. he wont be controlled if he has sharingang and he alrdy knew that.
2. he think he can counter tobi if he has sharigan.

P.S. Tobi dont know Sharingan can escape EDO control.


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Orochimaru is long gone.. we have no clue what happens after SOT sucks you in. A genjustu stronger than tsukuyomi, i doubt orochimaru will return to his old self.


Oro is not dead. He is merely incapacitated. If he was dead, the curse marks vanish from the person he has given to, like Danzou's curse mark on his Root members vanished after he died. But, we still see Anko with the curse mark intact. Hence, it proves that he didn't die.

Tobi told that he can reverse the action of Amber Purifying Pot and bring out Kin-Gin brothers in order to extract the Kyuubi chakra in them. Similarly, I don't find a reason why Oro can't be resurrected from the Totsuka Sword's sealing gourd from someone who is willing to do it..


First of all it was said that Itachis sword seales them in Iternal genjitsu (now sure how its spelled) as much as i know iternal is forever, while for Amber PP it was not said anything about being sealed forever, and second of all part of Orochimaru that is alive is in Kabuto that why he needed to extract chakra for Anko so he could streanghten that part, to keep it alive or whatever

Im simply saying that the original orochimaru ( that grew from the plot ) is long gone.. We can see that kishi is killing off each of the sannin for background purposes, since tsunade is the last remaining of the sannin i suspect her death to come sooner than later.

Now the dna cells that are growing inside of kabuto, i have no clue how kishimoto will assemble this into the story.. maybe kabuto will just transform into the body of orochimaru, since afterall he has everything down pack from oro's knowledge.

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He doesn't need to transform into Orochimaru, he's strong than him. And if he did lose his body then he'd lose his mind as well as Orochimaru would completely take him over and I can't see that happening.

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He doesn't need to transform into Orochimaru, he's strong than him. And if he did lose his body then he'd lose his mind as well as Orochimaru would completely take him over and I can't see that happening.

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He doesn't need to transform into Orochimaru, he's strong than him. And if he did lose his body then he'd lose his mind as well as Orochimaru would completely take him over and I can't see that happening.

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Kabuto just isnt stronger then Orochimaru in no way he even needed Anko alive to suck Orochimarus chakra that made his Edos stronger, that alone proves how much he really weak is without Oro

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He doesn't need to transform into Orochimaru, he's strong than him. And if he did lose his body then he'd lose his mind as well as Orochimaru would completely take him over and I can't see that happening.

^ This


Kabuto just isnt stronger then Orochimaru in no way he even needed Anko alive to suck Orochimarus chakra that made his Edos stronger, that alone proves how much he really weak is without Oro

Kabuto atm is stronger than orochimaru.. Orochimaru never was able to control the sharingan and kabuto right now has the rinnegan.

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Kabuto atm is stronger than orochimaru.. Orochimaru never was able to control the sharingan and kabuto right now has the rinnegan.


WTF? please reread your post

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Valjavec wrote:
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Kabuto atm is stronger than orochimaru.. Orochimaru never was able to control the sharingan and kabuto right now has the rinnegan.


WTF? please reread your post


Yeah! Your right! its not "Never was" its "was never"!!! :D


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Kabuto atm is stronger than orochimaru.. Orochimaru never was able to control the sharingan and kabuto right now has the rinnegan.


WTF? please reread your post


Yeah! Your right! its not "Never was" its "was never"!!! :D



Kabuto has rinengan? Since when? let me just say this, since Orochimaru died to the point where Kabuto confronted Madara wasnt enought time for Kabuto to collect all those Edo tensei pupets, so to beggin with all those Edo tenseis are Orochimarus to begin with, just as the jitsu it self is, as is the chakra controlling them, as is all the info about Tobi, Tobi didnt say Kabuto, but Orochimaru just how much did you know, all Kabuto is doing is controling Orochimarus poweres, using his jitsus and everything, its same as when Ino takes control of her targets mind, she is nothing but if she would control Madara she would be awesome, and you cant say then Ino is so awesome, you just cant, and as for Kabuto having rinengan please just dont say that

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Narutohero2 wrote:
Kabuto atm is stronger than orochimaru.. Orochimaru never was able to control the sharingan and kabuto right now has the rinnegan.


yeah since when kabuto has the rinnegan??? if i recall it its madara there have it and yeah kabuto only using the power oro had so i completly agree with valjavec on this one

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Kabuto atm is stronger than orochimaru.. Orochimaru never was able to control the sharingan and kabuto right now has the rinnegan.


yeah since when kabuto has the rinnegan??? if i recall it its madara there have it and yeah kabuto only using the power oro had so i completly agree with valjavec on this one

I am the 3rd one who agrees with you Val...Kabuto only has EDO Tensei not Rinnegan...he may have other powers but not Rinnegan...Narutohero you should watch carefully what you write here....Because we ain't stupid...

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Kabuto has rinengan? Since when? let me just say this, since Orochimaru died to the point where Kabuto confronted Madara wasnt enought time for Kabuto to collect all those Edo tensei pupets, so to beggin with all those Edo tenseis are Orochimarus to begin with, just as the jitsu it self is, as is the chakra controlling them, as is all the info about Tobi, Tobi didnt say Kabuto, but Orochimaru just how much did you know, all Kabuto is doing is controling Orochimarus poweres, using his jitsus and everything, its same as when Ino takes control of her targets mind, she is nothing but if she would control Madara she would be awesome, and you cant say then Ino is so awesome, you just cant, and as for Kabuto having rinengan please just dont say that


I very much disagree with your logic. Kabuto got the majority of his power by absorbing orochimaru, that is true. But that doesn't mean they are not now his powers. It's no different than labeling gedo mazo and the rinnegan under tobi's powers (or izanagi for that matter). He stole the rinnegan and implanted it, and he stole all the bijuu. But what is important is that he is the one currently in control of those powers. After all, they are just more advanced ninja tools, and a tool is only as good as the one using it. Kabuto has used his tools very well, and currently he is using a tool that has both rinnegan and EMS under it's powers. So yes, as long as Kabuto has Madara under his control he has the rinnegan as one of HIS powers.

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Kabuto has rinengan? Since when? let me just say this, since Orochimaru died to the point where Kabuto confronted Madara wasnt enought time for Kabuto to collect all those Edo tensei pupets, so to beggin with all those Edo tenseis are Orochimarus to begin with, just as the jitsu it self is, as is the chakra controlling them, as is all the info about Tobi, Tobi didnt say Kabuto, but Orochimaru just how much did you know, all Kabuto is doing is controling Orochimarus poweres, using his jitsus and everything, its same as when Ino takes control of her targets mind, she is nothing but if she would control Madara she would be awesome, and you cant say then Ino is so awesome, you just cant, and as for Kabuto having rinengan please just dont say that


I very much disagree with your logic. Kabuto got the majority of his power by absorbing orochimaru, that is true. But that doesn't mean they are not now his powers. It's no different than labeling gedo mazo and the rinnegan under tobi's powers (or izanagi for that matter). He stole the rinnegan and implanted it, and he stole all the bijuu. But what is important is that he is the one currently in control of those powers. After all, they are just more advanced ninja tools, and a tool is only as good as the one using it. Kabuto has used his tools very well, and currently he is using a tool that has both rinnegan and EMS under it's powers. So yes, as long as Kabuto has Madara under his control he has the rinnegan as one of HIS powers.


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Kabuto has rinengan? Since when? let me just say this, since Orochimaru died to the point where Kabuto confronted Madara wasnt enought time for Kabuto to collect all those Edo tensei pupets, so to beggin with all those Edo tenseis are Orochimarus to begin with, just as the jitsu it self is, as is the chakra controlling them, as is all the info about Tobi, Tobi didnt say Kabuto, but Orochimaru just how much did you know, all Kabuto is doing is controling Orochimarus poweres, using his jitsus and everything, its same as when Ino takes control of her targets mind, she is nothing but if she would control Madara she would be awesome, and you cant say then Ino is so awesome, you just cant, and as for Kabuto having rinengan please just dont say that


I very much disagree with your logic. Kabuto got the majority of his power by absorbing orochimaru, that is true. But that doesn't mean they are not now his powers. It's no different than labeling gedo mazo and the rinnegan under tobi's powers (or izanagi for that matter). He stole the rinnegan and implanted it, and he stole all the bijuu. But what is important is that he is the one currently in control of those powers. After all, they are just more advanced ninja tools, and a tool is only as good as the one using it. Kabuto has used his tools very well, and currently he is using a tool that has both rinnegan and EMS under it's powers. So yes, as long as Kabuto has Madara under his control he has the rinnegan as one of HIS powers.



So then we are saying when Orochimaru had Sasuke under his control he had Sharingan? He had Hashirama under his control as well? He had space time Orochimaru had space time when he had 2nd Hokage? Orochimaru had Mokuton? I think this logic is wrong

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So then we are saying when Orochimaru had Sasuke under his control he had Sharingan? He had Hashirama under his control as well? He had space time Orochimaru had space time when he had 2nd Hokage? Orochimaru had Mokuton? I think this logic is wrong


No and Yes. No, he never had sasuke under his control and as such never had the sharingan. The difference there is that sasuke was his subordinate, not his puppet. If sasuke's will was bound to orochimaru to the point that sasuke could only possibly do what orochimaru told him to, then yes orochimaru would have had the sharingan as a power of his. It is important though to note that that does not mean he could use the sharingan in the same way an uchiha could, but it would still be one of his powers. Yes, he did have mokuton and space time as his powers while he was controlling the 1st and 2nd hokages. Had he been smart enough to take the fight with hiruzen seriously he'd probably still have those powers and have used them to very deadly ends. But hiruzen sealed those powers away, so they lasted only one battle.

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So then we are saying when Orochimaru had Sasuke under his control he had Sharingan? He had Hashirama under his control as well? He had space time Orochimaru had space time when he had 2nd Hokage? Orochimaru had Mokuton? I think this logic is wrong


No and Yes. No, he never had sasuke under his control and as such never had the sharingan. The difference there is that sasuke was his subordinate, not his puppet. If sasuke's will was bound to orochimaru to the point that sasuke could only possibly do what orochimaru told him to, then yes orochimaru would have had the sharingan as a power of his. It is important though to note that that does not mean he could use the sharingan in the same way an uchiha could, but it would still be one of his powers. Yes, he did have mokuton and space time as his powers while he was controlling the 1st and 2nd hokages. Had he been smart enough to take the fight with hiruzen seriously he'd probably still have those powers and have used them to very deadly ends. But hiruzen sealed those powers away, so they lasted only one battle.


Sorry but i dont see this correct, you cant say when Ino posseses for example Madara that she is so powerfull, no, Rasengan is way powerfull is Konohamaru? No Its same as Shisui he has one deadlly jitsu probablly one of most powerfull jitsus in Naruto but can we say he is so strong like Deadpool used to say? No because as far as we know he without that jitsu we dont know if he was even more powerfull than base Naruto, i think Kabuto without Orochimaru would have no inteligence info about Tobi, no Edos, nothing, its just a weak weak person wo got someone elses powers that made him strong so as far as i know Kabuto is weaker then Base Naruto its all Orochimarus credit, his Edos his info, his puppets, for god sakes its even his chakra controlling them, just as Tobi said just hjow much did Orochimaru know even when he faced Kabuto

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So then we are saying when Orochimaru had Sasuke under his control he had Sharingan? He had Hashirama under his control as well? He had space time Orochimaru had space time when he had 2nd Hokage? Orochimaru had Mokuton? I think this logic is wrong


When did Orochimaru have Sasuke under his control, at no point did Sasuke just follow him and listen to orders blindly, which is however what Madara is currently doing. Madara is an Edo tensei summoned by Kabuto and Kabuto can control him fully, so by extension yes, Kabuto does indirectly have the Rinnegan and EMS at his disposal.

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Sorry but i dont see this correct, you cant say when Ino posseses for example Madara that she is so powerfull, no, Rasengan is way powerfull is Konohamaru? No Its same as Shisui he has one deadlly jitsu probablly one of most powerfull jitsus in Naruto but can we say he is so strong like Deadpool used to say? No because as far as we know he without that jitsu we dont know if he was even more powerfull than base Naruto, i think Kabuto without Orochimaru would have no inteligence info about Tobi, no Edos, nothing, its just a weak weak person wo got someone elses powers that made him strong so as far as i know Kabuto is weaker then Base Naruto its all Orochimarus credit, his Edos his info, his puppets, for god sakes its even his chakra controlling them, just as Tobi said just hjow much did Orochimaru know even when he faced Kabuto


You are assuming that kabuto would have as little understanding about using these new powers as ino does and that is completely false. If ino had taken control of madara then yes, during the time that he is under her control he counts as her power. But that is not to say that she is stronger then madara, because she would not know what to do with his powers as well as he does. Kabuto on the other hand is performing better with orochimaru's powers then orochimaru ever did. See the difference? You are also assuming that for a power to be yours you must first be worthy of it. Just because the rasengan is stronger then anything else konohamaru has learned doesn't mean it can't qualify as one of his powers. He still has the ability to use it at will does he not? Credit goes to whoever uses their tools to the best of their ability. It doesn't matter how they got it, these are ninja's not knights. Honor doesn't matter in the field of battle.

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Kabuto atm is stronger than orochimaru.. Orochimaru never was able to control the sharingan and kabuto right now has the rinnegan.


WTF? please reread your post

Everything i said was correct..

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