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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
 Post Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:32 pm 
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Its one of the most exciting characters in Naruto


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Minato Namikaze when sealing the Nine Tails into Naruto, split it into 2 halves Yin (usually referring good) and Yang (usually referring evil). He then sealed the Yang part in Naruto and Yin part in Death God.

Hence, Kyuubi represents both good and evil. It can be manipulated by people because it has evil thoughts within it. It can also be used constructively because it has good thoughts in it too. The one sealed in Naruto appears to be pure evil as it makes villanious statements like.. "I would like to have Naruto for lunch", "Madara's chakra is sinister than my own", "I cannot believe 4th sealed me within a looser like you" etc. and gives chakra to naruto only because it needs to survive. But Kyuubi as a whole doesn't represent good or evil when whole.


That's my way of looking it.

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I concur.

The Ninetails, like all Bijuu, are pretty much neutral. Like animals.

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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The Nine tail only thinks on itself, and only helps Naruto for his own benefits, if he can get Naruto to use more than 4 tails he will be in control of Narutos body, just like the one tail took control over Gaara when he went into sleep mode.

All the tailed beasts are controlfreaks who want a life of their own, and if anyone stands in their way the will kill them, I would say that thats not the intentions of a good character.


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The Nine tail only thinks on itself, and only helps Naruto for his own benefits, if he can get Naruto to use more than 4 tails he will be in control of Narutos body, just like the one tail took control over Gaara when he went into sleep mode.

All the tailed beasts are controlfreaks who want a life of their own, and if anyone stands in their way the will kill them, I would say that thats not the intentions of a good character.



Yes, you are right. They are not good characters. They are neutral characters. They will help if they want. If they are challenged they will kill. They wont harm someone if they are not harmed by someone, unless they are not influenced. That makes them neutral... Neither good nor bad..

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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All the tailed beasts are controlfreaks who want a life of their own



they had a life of their own, until they where sealed, duh ?


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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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I see it that the nine tail fox is bad because the fox tries to decieve naruto. :?


The way I look at it he doesn't do that because he is evil or bad. He was trapped in narutos body and so far he sees naruto as week and unworthy of the gift that was given him. Now when he see naruto as an equal I think he will soften up a great deal. and I do think before the end naruto will soften the nine tails up to the point that they fight as one



In general, I agree, he is neutral in and self absorbed in his actions, emotions and choices...like animals, but from what I've seen 9 tails eminates "negative chakra" but positive and negative are all one. There is no one without the other. The reason Naruto can even handle his Chakra is because of his own Chakra levels himself...when contained. I essetially believe that the 9 tails is a destructive energy force but that is not bad, that is what the real world is composed of death brings life and life brings death... but Naruto will have to become strong enough to meet 9 tails one on one...meaning balance between the two energies and then a mutual exchance of their energies can come to fruition. He is and 9 tails are/is the strongest of the Jinchuriki. , I agree with Hitori.

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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whitetiger wrote:

In general, I agree, he is neutral in and self absorbed in his actions, emotions and choices...like animals, but from what I've seen 9 tails eminates "negative chakra" but positive and negative are all one. There is no one without the other.



True this, also the basics of Yin Yang, which are omnipresent in Japan culture.

Kishimoto made it so that Naruto only possess one half of the Kyubi, whatever that means, he may have dropped that idea some time ago, because it was never really elaborated, except for the fact that the Kyubis phisical body is forever gone, sealed inside the death god, but even so, a chakra manifestation of the Juubi, such as the Kyubi, can probably mold new phisical appearances, since he has a shape inside Naruto, it's fair to believe he has a shape outside as well (When Naruto is taken over by the Kyubi, it takes it's former shape)


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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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I see it that the nine tail fox is bad because the fox tries to decieve naruto. :?


The way I look at it he doesn't do that because he is evil or bad. He was trapped in narutos body and so far he sees naruto as week and unworthy of the gift that was given him. Now when he see naruto as an equal I think he will soften up a great deal. and I do think before the end naruto will soften the nine tails up to the point that they fight as one



In general, I agree, he is neutral in and self absorbed in his actions, emotions and choices...like animals, but from what I've seen 9 tails eminates "negative chakra" but positive and negative are all one. There is no one without the other. The reason Naruto can even handle his Chakra is because of his own Chakra levels himself...when contained. I essetially believe that the 9 tails is a destructive energy force but that is not bad, that is what the real world is composed of death brings life and life brings death... but Naruto will have to become strong enough to meet 9 tails one on one...meaning balance between the two energies and then a mutual exchance of their energies can come to fruition. He is and 9 tails are/is the strongest of the Jinchuriki. , I agree with Hitori.


I like the way you put it, thats exactly how I feel.

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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:oops: hee hee thanks, I very much enjoy being able to have such conversations and discussions. I also really like the way you write also :D I suppose one of the reasons I enjoy anime so much is because much of it still containes the Shinto, Buddhist, and Taoist beliefs...and I'm buddhist with all those mixed in...lol. But it took many years of searching before I found a philosophy system that I felt was right for me, plus it allows me to be accepting and loving towards all people's paths and choices. Tao is simply interpreted as learning the way of nature and a person walking a path. What about you or anyone else that wants to contribute. Oh, btw, Taoism originally came from China and the Buddhist monks absorbed that concept into their practice. That is the Mahayana Buddhists, prevalent in Japan, China, parts of India, Tibet etc. But the Theravadic Buddhists are more "literal" and only practice what the Buddha himself taught and are mainly around Thailand, Burma, Laos, some parts of India and Ceylon. There are lots of other countries but I'm not familiar with their cultural predispositions for ex: Korea, Malaysia etc... But I suppose I got off topic..sorry for the spam Gomen Nesai :D


oooh, btw, did you know that there was an indiginous tribe of people that originally lived in Japan and you can find some of their decendents on one of the islands close by but the Japanese as we know it are actually decendents from Chinese immagrants. :D

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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The only reason the Nine-Tails gives Naruto his chakra is so that he doesn't die himself. If Naruto dies, the he dies.

Also the only reason the Nine-Tails attack Konoha in the first place is because Madara gets him to right? I guess he's neither good nor bad.

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He is Nine tail demon fox and he is a ****.

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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The Kyuubi has always been feared because he is a beast of distruction. While we know he was used by Madara the Kyuubi is still constantly felt as a threat for good reason. From all we've seen he's menacing and it certainly doesn't come across as an act to me.

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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I too have always thought that Kishi made the fox sneer on purpose so that we get an impression of him being "pure evil."

Thats natural in any caged beast, that they would lash out at its captor. I agree with Hitori's views completely, and I think Kyuubi is Naruto's trump card. I have always believed that Naruto will get on good terms with the Kyuubi, and the Kyuubi will make Naruto the strongest shinobi in history.

The only reason the fox's chakra harms naruto(in four tales cloak state) is because he wants to weaken Naruto physically to the point where the Kyuubi can take over him and get free from the ninja's who have made his life miserable.

We all know that Kyuubi didnt attack on purpose, but was forced to because of Madara.
If I were Kyuubi, I'd hate the frickin Ninja world too. Nobody has the right to "seal" me in someone! First it was Madara controlling him, then Minato supposedly became a hero and sacrificed himself to seal him in a baby! You can see why he would despise both. Since Naruto is Minato's legacy, he would naturally hate Naruto too! But I think with time, he might pipe down definitely 8-)

thats how I view it.

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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:oops: hee hee thanks, I very much enjoy being able to have such conversations and discussions. I also really like the way you write also :D I suppose one of the reasons I enjoy anime so much is because much of it still containes the Shinto, Buddhist, and Taoist beliefs...and I'm buddhist with all those mixed in...lol. But it took many years of searching before I found a philosophy system that I felt was right for me, plus it allows me to be accepting and loving towards all people's paths and choices. Tao is simply interpreted as learning the way of nature and a person walking a path. What about you or anyone else that wants to contribute. Oh, btw, Taoism originally came from China and the Buddhist monks absorbed that concept into their practice. That is the Mahayana Buddhists, prevalent in Japan, China, parts of India, Tibet etc. But the Theravadic Buddhists are more "literal" and only practice what the Buddha himself taught and are mainly around Thailand, Burma, Laos, some parts of India and Ceylon. There are lots of other countries but I'm not familiar with their cultural predispositions for ex: Korea, Malaysia etc... But I suppose I got off topic..sorry for the spam Gomen Nesai :D


oooh, btw, did you know that there was an indiginous tribe of people that originally lived in Japan and you can find some of their decendents on one of the islands close by but the Japanese as we know it are actually decendents from Chinese immagrants. :D


Cool... You know alot, Whitetiger. o.o Your'e awsome! :D

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 Post subject: Re: is the nine tail fox bad or good?
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I think Fox isn't bad he just was under Madara's control..and when Naruto don't have charka or power Kyuubi say "Use my power!" and i say that Kyuubi is kinda good. (But bad when Madara control's it ;) )


It says use my power to make the seal weaker and to tempt Naruto to release the whole seal! So he's kinda evil. And he lends Naruto chakra only to save himself. You do realize that if Naruto dies, Kyubi dies with him, right?

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Im pretty sure that all the tailed beasts can be good or bad! it just depends on the user or on the environment!

I think that naruto and the fox will get along well in the futur! but thats only my opinion!

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Im pretty sure that all the tailed beasts can be good or bad! it just depends on the user or on the environment!

I think that naruto and the fox will get along well in the futur! but thats only my opinion!

True no?

Since it consists of chakra and a personality "of hatred" and attaches itself to the dark sides of it's hosts hearths it cannot possibly be a good entity.
However, we'll see what happens now that these parts were seperated.

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I think Fox isn't bad he just was under Madara's control..and when Naruto don't have charka or power Kyuubi say "Use my power!" and i say that Kyuubi is kinda good. (But bad when Madara control's it ;) )


It says use my power to make the seal weaker and to tempt Naruto to release the whole seal! So he's kinda evil. And he lends Naruto chakra only to save himself. You do realize that if Naruto dies, Kyubi dies with him, right?

Well, old post, now it's clear that the Bijuu won't totally die when their hosts die. So his attempts of convincing Naruto are aimed at getting out, fighting and possibly corrupting Naruto to a hatefull guy who he, the kyuubi, can controll easily.


In case that anyone here watched Hellsing, doesn't the Kyuubi remind you of Alucard alot? When I saw his eyes and heard his voice, it was like Alucard sits in that cage °_°

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in my opinion there is no issue of good or bad.it is just a chaos.i do not know how much of you believe in it.Everyone has different opinion and also changes.
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He was shown as evil but i think he isnt good and he isnt bad he just does what pleases him XD he wont help and he wont kill if he doesent benefit


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